tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post5223058152413283446..comments2024-03-13T10:11:14.165-04:00Comments on Fair Chase Hunting: Ethics versus PreferencesEric C. Nusehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08415209205400590485noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-28041166821998726472018-02-08T05:37:06.964-05:002018-02-08T05:37:06.964-05:00A fictional memoir about a Thanksgiving Day series...A fictional memoir about a Thanksgiving Day series of incidents. Involved are three generations of a family who own the motel, trailer park guests, a Bible-focused grandfather, an embarrassed father, and the narrator's girlfriend. <a href="https://medicalhunting.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">https://medicalhunting.wordpress.com/</a>Thomas Venneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806971416198629441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-46081139268951094672018-02-07T02:23:35.984-05:002018-02-07T02:23:35.984-05:00ThanksThanksThomas Venneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806971416198629441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-72471841733340225662010-01-29T09:04:30.902-05:002010-01-29T09:04:30.902-05:00Simplify, simplify, simplify...
I'm not the ...Simplify, simplify, simplify... <br /><br />I'm not the world's biggest Thoreau fan, but he occasionally made some pretty good points. If we get too wrapped up in the details, we lose track of what's really important. It's a risk we take whenever we start to dive too deeply into philosophical issues.<br /><br />Of course, from the academic perspective, the exploration of these concepts of ethics, morals, and Fair Chase do keep things interesting, and they turn up some pretty good topics of conversation and even debate. But for the general world, I wonder if we haven't already lost track of the real point of the discussion. <br /><br />Should it be about defining a code of behavior for all hunters to follow, or simply about introspection? By chipping away until we expose the very paragon of hunting virtue, do we lessen the experience or the values of all others? <br /><br />At what point do we separate the philosophical from the practical? Where does the discussion become too lofty for the "unwashed masses"? A little knowledge is, certainly, a dangerous thing. <br /><br />The noble savage was always a myth. If we dig deeply enough, I think we'll find the same about the "perfect" hunter. Is there value in exposing this reality? What is the risk in tearing down the facade of the "moral hunter"?Philliphttp://www.hog-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-1895353434687132242010-01-28T10:55:47.737-05:002010-01-28T10:55:47.737-05:00"...well, how deep should we really be diggin..."...well, how deep should we really be digging anyway?"<br />Phillip, As Oliver Wendell Holmes once said, "I don't give a fig for simplicity, but I would give anything for simplicity on the other side of complexity." (or something like that).<br />This idea of exploring the complexity and getting to the root is what drives my work at Orion and this blog. So I think we should dig as deep as we can, expose as much as we can then work with it until we get "to the other side of complexity".<br />Thanks to everyone who is helping with this!Eric C. Nusehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08415209205400590485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-27667123860379196042010-01-27T23:20:09.043-05:002010-01-27T23:20:09.043-05:00I like where you took this one. And the bio is eq...I like where you took this one. And the bio is equally dead-on. Nicely done!<br /><br />I've hunted from one coast to the other in this country, and I've seen a lot of different hunting methods and hunted with a lot of different hunters. I've guided and hunted on high fence ranches, as well as humping over miles of Rocky Mountain terrain in pursuit of elk. And one thing I've found is that most of these guys, no matter what their preferred methods, enjoy the hunt and value the experience. Is it the way we'd all prefer to hunt? Of course not. I like my pizza with canadian bacon, pineapple, and jalapeno peppers. I think pepperoni sucks. But if you like it hey, enjoy your pizza.<br /><br />Of course the discussion goes a little deeper than this, but in a nutshell... well, how deep should we really be digging anyway?Philliphttp://www.hog-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-59736266619896278992010-01-26T14:12:24.689-05:002010-01-26T14:12:24.689-05:00What an excellent and intriguing piece of writing....What an excellent and intriguing piece of writing.<br /><br />I do think there is a definitely misuse of the phrases hunting ethics/hunting aeshetics. I don't think any legislation should impose "ethical" regulations upon me, when really most of hunting legislation out there is forcing me to abide by someone's hunting aeshetics, not ethics.<br /><br />And who I am to impose my way of hunting on someone else, or tell them what they're "ethics" are. That isn't my place, and ultimately, as you stated above, will only help to hurt our hunting heritage; it will certainly not help us hunters to draw a dividing line in the sand based on crossbows vs. longbows, or muzzleloaders vs. shotguns.<br /><br />The way I see it - if you're hunting within the law, and doing everything you possibly can to ensure a quick, humane kill, then I have no problem with whatever type of style of hunting you choose.......even if it isn't the way I choose to hunt.SimplyOutdoorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14074585345161430068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-21485932344022850282010-01-26T10:52:12.262-05:002010-01-26T10:52:12.262-05:00I really like this piece, Jim, just as I did the f...I really like this piece, Jim, just as I did the first time I read it. Though I might disagree with your arguments in some extreme instances, overall I believe you're right on the mark.<br /><br />There is, I think, still plenty of important hunting ethics education to be done, focused not on aesthetics but on respecting animals and, as you say, killing "cleanly, quickly, and humanely."Tovar@AMindfulCarnivorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786679920725797712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8400018814519499369.post-60889802743954955002010-01-26T09:39:41.246-05:002010-01-26T09:39:41.246-05:00p.s. the biographical blurb that usually goes alon...p.s. the biographical blurb that usually goes along with this article is perhaps more to the point? for what it's worth:<br /><br /><i>"James A. Tantillo teaches ethics and environmental philosophy at Cornell University. A grouse hunting purist, Jim will generally argue until he is blue in the face that the One, True, Correct Way to Hunt Grouse is with a 16 gauge Parker double gun over the staunch point of a well trained English setter. In the spirit of political toleration, however, he also argues until he is equally blue in the face that his retriever and spaniel owning friends be permitted to hunt grouse legally as they see fit, despite their aesthetically misguided preferences for flushing dogs or 12 gauge autoloaders! "</i>Jim Tantillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12520467623399679472noreply@blogger.com